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		<title>By: Bungalow Insanity &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Goodbye, old chimney</title>
		<link>http://bungalowinsanity.com/2007/11/29/the-big-tankless-water-heater-post/comment-page-1/#comment-1701</link>
		<dc:creator>Bungalow Insanity &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Goodbye, old chimney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] pantry closet. It was no longer being used, as we had switched to a high efficiency furnace and a tankless water heater, both of which vented out the side of the house. The bricks sat in a pile in the side yard for six [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] pantry closet. It was no longer being used, as we had switched to a high efficiency furnace and a tankless water heater, both of which vented out the side of the house. The bricks sat in a pile in the side yard for six [...]</p>
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		<title>By: evan</title>
		<link>http://bungalowinsanity.com/2007/11/29/the-big-tankless-water-heater-post/comment-page-1/#comment-1418</link>
		<dc:creator>evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tankless hot water heaters DO NOT end up being cheaper than the old 40 gals because they&#039;re under $100 used now for something that&#039;s only 10 years old.  I did it for the space and because I was remodeling the basement and it was my only good time to reorganize the plumbing.  My break down
Takagi flueless - $700
installation - $300
slickness - priceless</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tankless hot water heaters DO NOT end up being cheaper than the old 40 gals because they&#8217;re under $100 used now for something that&#8217;s only 10 years old.  I did it for the space and because I was remodeling the basement and it was my only good time to reorganize the plumbing.  My break down<br />
Takagi flueless &#8211; $700<br />
installation &#8211; $300<br />
slickness &#8211; priceless</p>
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		<title>By: julio</title>
		<link>http://bungalowinsanity.com/2007/11/29/the-big-tankless-water-heater-post/comment-page-1/#comment-903</link>
		<dc:creator>julio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amber,

I think what happens is that even though the minimum flow rate is met (0.75 gal/min), our heater seems more &quot;comfortable&quot; when working hard (raising the temperature of the water a lot.)  Its performance is much more sporadic at lower flows or temp increases.  Our issue seems to happen at the peak of summer, when the incoming water will be at its warmest, meaning the delta between in/out temps is at its lowest.  At all other times of year, it seems to do OK.  As Stephanie mentioned, our first unit would cycle constantly during showers.

The hot/cold/hot/cold temps are really just a symptom that your heater is turning off during the shower.  The cold slug is a result of the time it takes the heater to kick back on.  Even if it only takes a few seconds, that&#039;s a lot of cold water flowing through.  Not very fun when you&#039;re in the middle of a shower!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amber,</p>
<p>I think what happens is that even though the minimum flow rate is met (0.75 gal/min), our heater seems more &#8220;comfortable&#8221; when working hard (raising the temperature of the water a lot.)  Its performance is much more sporadic at lower flows or temp increases.  Our issue seems to happen at the peak of summer, when the incoming water will be at its warmest, meaning the delta between in/out temps is at its lowest.  At all other times of year, it seems to do OK.  As Stephanie mentioned, our first unit would cycle constantly during showers.</p>
<p>The hot/cold/hot/cold temps are really just a symptom that your heater is turning off during the shower.  The cold slug is a result of the time it takes the heater to kick back on.  Even if it only takes a few seconds, that&#8217;s a lot of cold water flowing through.  Not very fun when you&#8217;re in the middle of a shower!</p>
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		<title>By: stephanie</title>
		<link>http://bungalowinsanity.com/2007/11/29/the-big-tankless-water-heater-post/comment-page-1/#comment-901</link>
		<dc:creator>stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have that problem occasionally too (much less so now that the unit is working and not whistling!)  I can&#039;t tell you WHY - maybe Julio could - but I&#039;ve noticed that this mostly seems to happen when it is really hot outside or really cold outside and my hypothesis is that when we&#039;re experiencing temperature extremes outside it messes with the water heater&#039;s thermostat.  When ours is working the way it&#039;s supposed to, it starts out cold unti the water that&#039;s been sitting in the pipes has been flushed out and the new hot water makes it to the faucet.  It&#039;s really consistent after that, unless, like I said, it&#039;s a really hot or really cold day and then fluctates between freezing and scalding (and makes me crazy!!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have that problem occasionally too (much less so now that the unit is working and not whistling!)  I can&#8217;t tell you WHY &#8211; maybe Julio could &#8211; but I&#8217;ve noticed that this mostly seems to happen when it is really hot outside or really cold outside and my hypothesis is that when we&#8217;re experiencing temperature extremes outside it messes with the water heater&#8217;s thermostat.  When ours is working the way it&#8217;s supposed to, it starts out cold unti the water that&#8217;s been sitting in the pipes has been flushed out and the new hot water makes it to the faucet.  It&#8217;s really consistent after that, unless, like I said, it&#8217;s a really hot or really cold day and then fluctates between freezing and scalding (and makes me crazy!!!)</p>
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		<title>By: amber L.</title>
		<link>http://bungalowinsanity.com/2007/11/29/the-big-tankless-water-heater-post/comment-page-1/#comment-895</link>
		<dc:creator>amber L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 02:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When taking a shower, the water temperature will be hot initially, than cold, then really hot, then warm, then back to regular temp.  What&#039;s up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When taking a shower, the water temperature will be hot initially, than cold, then really hot, then warm, then back to regular temp.  What&#8217;s up?</p>
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		<title>By: hector hernandez</title>
		<link>http://bungalowinsanity.com/2007/11/29/the-big-tankless-water-heater-post/comment-page-1/#comment-700</link>
		<dc:creator>hector hernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what i dont like is that every year i have to spend $200 for maintennance by a plumber to clean out the filters</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what i dont like is that every year i have to spend $200 for maintennance by a plumber to clean out the filters</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have 5 Takagi units installed at my home and rental units.  All have been running flawlessly for the last three years BUT... we encountered many installation problems that had to be resolved to get things working properly. 

I&#039;ve put up a web page to discuss what we learned, as well as some additional tankless installation tips I&#039;ve picked up at my Home Inspection business here in Chicago at:

http://paragoninspects.com/tankless-heater-home-inspection-evanston-chicago-il-faq.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have 5 Takagi units installed at my home and rental units.  All have been running flawlessly for the last three years BUT&#8230; we encountered many installation problems that had to be resolved to get things working properly. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve put up a web page to discuss what we learned, as well as some additional tankless installation tips I&#8217;ve picked up at my Home Inspection business here in Chicago at:</p>
<p><a href="http://paragoninspects.com/tankless-heater-home-inspection-evanston-chicago-il-faq.html" rel="nofollow">http://paragoninspects.com/tankless-heater-home-inspection-evanston-chicago-il-faq.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 03:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problems with tankless water heaters are endless not to mention that they take longer to provide hot water.  Think of the inconvenience of having to wait longer every time you need hot water!  A great alternative is a Hot Water Lobster Instant Hot Water Valve!  It&#039;s a recirculation system that conserves water while also providing instant hot water throughout your entire home!  It&#039;s easy for anyone to install, works off of the homes existing plumbing, and only costs $179.95!  

The Hot Water Lobster uses no electricity and is pump free, so it creates no noise.  It is made in the U.S.A., has a 10-year warranty, and can be easily installed in under 10 minutes. 

Check it out at:
http://www.hotwaterlobster.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problems with tankless water heaters are endless not to mention that they take longer to provide hot water.  Think of the inconvenience of having to wait longer every time you need hot water!  A great alternative is a Hot Water Lobster Instant Hot Water Valve!  It&#8217;s a recirculation system that conserves water while also providing instant hot water throughout your entire home!  It&#8217;s easy for anyone to install, works off of the homes existing plumbing, and only costs $179.95!  </p>
<p>The Hot Water Lobster uses no electricity and is pump free, so it creates no noise.  It is made in the U.S.A., has a 10-year warranty, and can be easily installed in under 10 minutes. </p>
<p>Check it out at:<br />
<a href="http://www.hotwaterlobster.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.hotwaterlobster.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: julio</title>
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		<dc:creator>julio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg,

I can&#039;t really answer your question, because I don&#039;t know much about geothermally-heated water heaters.  If the geothermal heat was enough to meet your needs, then I&#039;d connect the input to the cold line.  Assuming that it&#039;s not able to keep up with high-flow uses such as showers, I&#039;d connect it to the hot line after the tankless.  There is no reason you can&#039;t use a 50 gallon tank in this way, but it&#039;s a different approach with a different result.  Ours are set up to both buffer the &quot;cold slug&quot; and to give instant hot water.  I wouldn&#039;t classify a 50 gallon tank as a buffer.  The big tank would be the primary heater, but you would get the advantage of having pre-heated water flowing into it from the tankless.  It will ultimately be less efficient, because you&#039;re keeping a much higher volume on constant standby.  But again, I know nothing about geothermal heaters, so that may not be an accurate statement.  One things for sure...you will never run out of hot water or be surprised by cold slug!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t really answer your question, because I don&#8217;t know much about geothermally-heated water heaters.  If the geothermal heat was enough to meet your needs, then I&#8217;d connect the input to the cold line.  Assuming that it&#8217;s not able to keep up with high-flow uses such as showers, I&#8217;d connect it to the hot line after the tankless.  There is no reason you can&#8217;t use a 50 gallon tank in this way, but it&#8217;s a different approach with a different result.  Ours are set up to both buffer the &#8220;cold slug&#8221; and to give instant hot water.  I wouldn&#8217;t classify a 50 gallon tank as a buffer.  The big tank would be the primary heater, but you would get the advantage of having pre-heated water flowing into it from the tankless.  It will ultimately be less efficient, because you&#8217;re keeping a much higher volume on constant standby.  But again, I know nothing about geothermal heaters, so that may not be an accurate statement.  One things for sure&#8230;you will never run out of hot water or be surprised by cold slug!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Addition to above request for information. Since finding your blog I have been reading all of the info on it and also the links. I think I have answered my question and the tank should be connected in line with the hot water line only, correct me if I am wrong. Also I realise that my adding the extra tank on my own is in line with the thinking of all of you for more consistency of hot water, but is the fact that I used such a large tank instead of the 5 to 10 gal size you all have used going to give me problems? Should I replace it with a smaller tank? I dont want to unless absolutely nessary. Please advise. Thanks, Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addition to above request for information. Since finding your blog I have been reading all of the info on it and also the links. I think I have answered my question and the tank should be connected in line with the hot water line only, correct me if I am wrong. Also I realise that my adding the extra tank on my own is in line with the thinking of all of you for more consistency of hot water, but is the fact that I used such a large tank instead of the 5 to 10 gal size you all have used going to give me problems? Should I replace it with a smaller tank? I dont want to unless absolutely nessary. Please advise. Thanks, Greg</p>
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